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Formerly Agenda 23, this podcast has evolved into Dollars or Sense: Exploring the Economic Case for Sustainability.
Do we really need to make an economic case for sustainability, or does focusing on dollars distract us from deeper social and ethical questions? Dollars or Sense explores whether today’s economic systems can truly support a sustainable future, and what would need to change if they can’t.
Hosted by Mackenzie Feldman and John Ikerd, the podcast digs into the assumptions behind markets, business, and policy, asking why environmental degradation, resource extraction, and social exploitation persist even when they undermine long-term economic viability. We explore sustainability through the lens of farms and food systems, while recognizing that no sector can be sustainable without broader economic and societal transformation.
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Jul 27, 2026
Jul 27, 2026
1 hr 1 min
Season 2, Episode 3 of Dollars or Sense by John Ikerd and Mackenzie Feldman!
This episode features special guest Sarah Mock, who is an agriculture and food expert and author of Farm (and other F words) and Big Team Farms. Sarah explains the myths that prevents us from understanding the economic, social, and historical forces shaping agriculture.
She argues that saving agriculture isn't about preserving the myth of the small family farm, but instead it's about designing a food system that actually works for the people who grow our food.

May 3, 2026
May 3, 2026
54 min
Today, we're sharing our conversation with Jess Rimington and Joanna L. Cea, co-founders of the economic innovation firm and co-authors of the book Beloved Economies.
Together, we explore what it would mean to build an economy rooted not in extraction and endless growth, but in care, community, and belonging. The conversation challenges the assumption that our current economy is inevitable, and offers a hopeful vision of where we need to go next. We hope you enjoy <3

Jan 20, 2026
Jan 20, 2026
35 min
Formerly Agenda 23, this podcast has evolved into Dollars or Sense: Exploring the Economic Case for Sustainability.
In this first episode of the new season, Mackenzie and John introduce their new podcast! The podcast will be exploring whether today’s economic system can truly support a sustainable future, and what would need to change if it can’t.

Jan 15, 2024
Jan 15, 2024
46 min
In this episode we speak with Connor Kippe, Policy Specialist at the National Sustainable Agriculture Coalition (NSAC). We discuss the policy priorities for NSAC and what YOU can do to get involved in the movement for a better food system!

Aug 12, 2023
Aug 12, 2023
1 hr 6 min
On this episode, we talk with Dr. Alex Racelis, associate professor in the UTRGV School of Earth, Environmental and Marine Sciences and director of Agroecology and Resilient Food Systems Program. We discuss the inaugural Agriculture Subcommittee of the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Equity Commission, where Racelis is one of 15 appointees. We also discuss the research Racelis conducts, (and Mackenzie who is in Racelis' lab!), which is driven by a better understanding of how agriculture, urban development, invasive species and resource management affects certain ecological processes in the light of pressing social and environmental issues, such as climate change, food and water security, sustainable development, and social justice.

Jan 31, 2023
Jan 31, 2023
54 min
In this episode, it's a conversation between the two hosts, Mackenzie Feldman and John Ikerd. Mackenzie asks John about his recent research around Farm and Food Policies for A Sustainable Future and how what we can learn from the past for the 2023 Farm Bill.

Oct 18, 2022
Oct 18, 2022
59 min
We are joined by Anié Henry, food systems futurist and "agvocate", and Ricardo Salvador, senior scientist and director of the Union of Concerned Scientists Food & Environment Program.

Aug 23, 2022
Aug 23, 2022
58 min
In this episode, we talk with Alan Guebert, an award-winning agricultural journalist, syndicated columnist of The Food and Farm File, and author of The Land of Milk and Uncle Honey.
Music by Josh Woodward - joshwoodward.com
Tracks Used: Coffee and East Side Bar
Produced by - Navgeet King Zed - nkzed.com

Jan 5, 2022
Jan 5, 2022
43 min
In this episode, we talk with Vanessa García Polanco, Federal Policy Director of the National Young Farmers Coalition.
Music by Josh Woodward - joshwoodward.com
Tracks Used: Coffee and East Side Bar
Produced by - Navgeet King Zed - nkzed.com

Aug 27, 2021
Aug 27, 2021
53 min
In this episode, we talk with Linley Dixon, Associate Director of the Real Organic Project.
Music by Josh Woodward - joshwoodward.com
Tracks Used: Coffee and East Side Bar
Produced by - Navgeet King Zed - nkzed.com